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Post by princessjillw on Apr 11, 2008 0:34:03 GMT -5
Unlike Cain, we are our brother's (sister's) keepers. To warn our sister about unholy colarborations as it should be and it isn't passing judgement. For those that need more information, please go to ebay and look up The Fallen Angel (book) by Thomas Friend to see what Mr. Plant is up to. Alison needs our prayers. She is in danger.
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Post by tal on Apr 11, 2008 0:51:11 GMT -5
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Post by akusjesusgurl on Apr 11, 2008 20:22:00 GMT -5
I never said that it would hurt to pray for her, because prayer is always a good thing, and I pray for Alison a lot, but its wrong just to jump to conclusions just because she is working with a non-Christian. If she is strong in her faith, then there is nothing to worry about. You never know, she may have a good influence on Robert. I know that as a Christian that NO ONE could sway my faith or how I behave just because they believe something different, I dont care HOW persuasive it is. And you are right princessjillw, it is not passing judgement to warn someone of a situation where someone is sinning, but we have no proof that she is sinning at all. She decided not to change words to a song because she did not want to change the integrity of the song. It doesn't mean that she is gay or that she is not a Christian. i think stuff is being blown up a little.
we cannot possibly determine as fans if Alison is backsliding in our faith, and really we should not try to. We do not personally know her. All we can do is pray for her. It would be different if we personally know her and could come up and talk to her about it or if we had proof but we dont. And I am sure if she was truly, truly backsliding, she has many other good Christian people around her who would talk to her and warn her. And we should pray for Robert too. He did that stuff a long time ago, and he could be a complete different person now for all we know.
MY MAIN POINT:
I just think this topic should not be discussed because it is about Alison's personal life.
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Post by tal on Apr 12, 2008 1:04:46 GMT -5
Well put Akusjesusgurl! ( though I could say something as to the "gay"reference  ) And though I agree warning someone of danger might not be passing judgement on the state of their faith, there is most definitely some judgement passing going on here over Robert Plant! And only based on some people's interpretation of some lyrics he co wrote, I might add. |
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Post by akusjesusgurl on Apr 12, 2008 7:16:00 GMT -5
good point also, tal. and dont yall remember the last track on the Plant/Krauss CD, which has references to God and heaven throughout the entire song?
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Post by eyesoflove on Apr 12, 2008 12:42:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure exactly which RP song is supposed to have so many "satanic" references, but I put little to no stock in those sorts of things, anyway. People have been reading evil things into ambiguous lyrics since the dawn of man. Often, it says way more about the interpreter than it does about the writer.
As for the pronouns she uses in her songs...get over it. As AJG has said and AK has said herself, there was no ill-intent behind it; it wasn't for shock factor or anything like that. It was about preserving the integrity and original lyrics of the song. There are a few songs I sing that, to switch the lyrics around to fit a female perspective, would just kill the mood. If you have time to get hung up on such trivial things, then I want your life because you obviously have no bigger fish to fry.
It's no one's place AT ALL to question AK's faith or steadfastness in that faith. If she wants to be in cahoots with the evil rock n roller, then more power to her. I'm SURE we all have co-workers who don't share our faiths or beliefs, but that doesn't mean we're supposed to quit our jobs. We can't hide away and refuse to be in the company of non-believers. But I have to refer to the article that Steph just posted under the main thread of this board that specifically said that, when they're not working, AK is mainly hanging out in her trailer taking care of her son. RPAK has a great chemistry and I'm sure they consider each other a great friend, but she apparently still has her priorities and they don't include Robert Plant.
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Post by tal on Apr 12, 2008 13:09:40 GMT -5
Actually the original poster was referring to a review of a book someone wrote about the lyrics and "true intent" of RP! I checked out said review ( btw written by the author of said book ) and he is referring to several songs in specific! The link I put up is to the lyrics of the songs in question! In my opinion they are indeed very much open to interpretation!  Anyway...what is getting my goat here is the constant referral to the pronouns thing! Apart from the fact that there are recordings of her not changing the pronouns from way back, this was actually not at all what the original poster was on about! But on that subject, like Eyesoflove said...we have all read and probably seen what AK has to say about that and clearly not only did she not have the intention to "shock" people but to me it is equally clear she also doesn't care if it does shock people! And that's what I think is really "cool" about her attitude! Apart from the obvious fact of her priority being always with the music of course! But that last part we all know and love her for anyway! |
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Post by eyesoflove on Apr 12, 2008 14:32:07 GMT -5
I see....I did read some of those lyrics to the link you provided, Tal, and thought that they were, as I said, very ambiguous. Yes, they could easily fit the bill if you read them insisting on believing Robert Plant is the devil. But I'll also repeat myself in saying, to me, what a listener/reader garnishes from those lyrics says more about *that* person than it does about the writer of the lyrics. Satanic worshipping and the like is never a conclusion that would even enter my mind with those lyrics.
As for the "pronoun thing," I merely elaborated on something that was already brought up and, while it may not apply to that book or any accusations toward Robert Plant, it is a subject that has caused many to give AK the stink eye and run for the hills screaming that she's backsliding. Yes, she has done it many times before, but Raising Sand is one of her most commercial records ever so more people are hearing it, thus reacting to it.
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Post by tal on Apr 12, 2008 15:33:58 GMT -5
Just to be clear...I was not just responding to your comment Eyesoflove but in general as it was both you and Akusjesusgurl who mentioned the pronoun issue and, like you say, "many give the stink eye". I did not in any way meant for you to feel I was just referring to your comment! |
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Post by eyesoflove on Apr 12, 2008 15:51:21 GMT -5
Tal, I guess where I'm coming from is that the issue *is* relevant to the overall discussion (not relating to Robert Plant, but the "concern" that AK is traveling down a slippery slope) and, even if it wasn't, I think anyone should be able to discuss what's on their mind so long as it isn't rude, offensive, hurtful, malicious, etc.
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Post by sarahbfritz on Apr 12, 2008 21:56:28 GMT -5
i beleive that people meet each other for some reason or another, and maybe alison met robert so she could help guide him twords the right direction......she is a ver smart lady
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Post by tal on Apr 12, 2008 22:51:13 GMT -5
Eyesoflove,. I see I am being completely misunderstood here! I am not at all saying anything cannot be discussed here! In fact, that is exactly what I am doing...stating how I personally feel about this! Just in case people might not be aware how all this comes across to someone coming from a different place! That's all.  And sarahbfritz...you might be right. Then again it may be the opposite. Maybe she is working with these rockers to show christians they aren't as bad as they may seem? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by fogcitygal on Apr 13, 2008 6:33:14 GMT -5
Satanic verses.  Are we reading the same words?  I just don't get it...  And the pronoun thing.  Haven't we hashed this over and over again, ad-nauseum? Alison has been very clear on the issue, that she keeps the pronouns in place so as not to change the integrity of the song. End of discussion...  I too feel that Alison's faith is her own business. And perhaps if people would stop elevating her to 'inhuman heights' we wouldn't perceive some of her collaborations as "slipping down a slippery slope" or "backsliding". Similarly, who are we to judge the people she works with? There is only one thing that I am certain of. I LOVE THE MUSIC that Alison continues to bring to her fans. If we don't like the music or its content we don't have to buy it.  The rest, I believe, in none of our *** **** business!!! |
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Post by eyesoflove on Apr 13, 2008 8:28:31 GMT -5
Satanic verses. Are we reading the same words? I just don't get it... You don't get it because they only sound Satanic if you read them and put your own Satanic spin on them. Some people turn everything into something perverted, some people turn everythng into something Satanic. It's just what they do, I guess. |
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Post by akusjesusgurl on Apr 13, 2008 16:07:34 GMT -5
I agree because they didnt sound Satanic to me. and Amen to everything fogcitygal said.
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Are we reading the same words? 
I just don't get it... 
Haven't we hashed this over and over again, ad-nauseum? Alison has been very clear on the issue, that she keeps the pronouns in place so as not to change the integrity of the song. End of discussion... 
The rest, I believe, in none of our *** **** business!!!